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Ep. 30: Can You Hack Safety? w/ Dr. David Rabin

S2 E1 • May 6, 2025 • 92 mins

In Today’s Episode: Can You Hack Safety? Join us as we talk with Dr. David Rabin, a board-certified psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and co-founder of Apollo Neuro, who shares his insights on how safety — not just therapy or medication — may be the foundational key to healing trauma and optimizing performance. Key Takeaways from Today’s Episode: -How vibration, touch, and sound can activate the vagus nerve and create instant calm -Why the ability to feel safe may determine whether stress leads to growth or disease -The science behind MDMA-assisted therapy, belief as biology, and reprogramming the epigenetic effects of trauma Questions We Answer in This Episode: -Can technology help you feel safe in your body? -What actually changes in the brain during a psychedelic experience? -Does the body really keep the score — and can we rewrite it?

Key Points

Apollo Neuro uses soothing vibrations to activate the vagus nerve, helping to calm the body and improve sleep quality.
Dr. David Rabin's research highlights the profound impact of epigenetic changes on trauma and stress, suggesting that therapies like MDMA-assisted therapy can significantly reverse these effects.
Intentional use of technology and self-gratitude practices are crucial for managing stress and improving overall mental health.

Speakers

Cody Isabel

Host • 20%

Dr. David Rabin

Guest • 80%

Chapters

0:00	Introduction to Dr. David Rabin and Apollo Neuro
1:00	Dr. Rabin's early experiences with vivid dreams and science
4:23	The connection between stress, performance, and health
6:14	Discovery and benefits of psychedelic-assisted therapy
8:56	Development of Apollo Neuro and overcoming personal challenges
13:52	The power of belief in personal growth and psychedelic therapy
21:12	Therapeutic vs. recreational psychedelics and self energy
25:05	The vagus nerve's role in touch, safety, and trauma
33:26	Trauma, epigenetic changes, and reversibility
38:44	Apollo Neuro: Introduction and benefits
40:06	The creation of Apollo Neuro and rhythm's importance
44:03	Apollo Neuro's ideal customer and benefits for kids and teens
45:55	Enhancing sleep with Apollo Neuro and SmartVibes AI
48:53	Research claims and clinical trials of Apollo Neuro
50:44	Ensuring scientific validity and avoiding conflicts of interest
52:22	Collaboration with universities and the Oura Ring study
57:32	Science and consumer understanding in the wellness industry
1:00:01	Responsible claims and ongoing research in the wellness field
1:02:11	Transparency, FDA clearance, and future goals for Apollo
1:07:01	Integrating sleep and smart vibes in future Apollo products
1:11:42	Health and wellness concerns: Smartphones and intentional tech use
1:15:46	Lightning Lab: Quick Q&A with Dr. Rabin
1:18:07	Dr. Rabin's perspective on leading a good life
1:21:06	Dr. Rabin's question for the next guest
1:23:23	Focus on addiction and substance use disorder
1:26:29	Addressing primary addictions with Apollo technology
1:27:40	Closing thoughts and where to find

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